Pavézy a jiné štíty (Pavises and other shields)

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Pavézy a jiné štíty (Pavises and other shields)

Post by Bryennios »

there is one good debate about pavises - unfortunately in czech only
http://www.ceskyserm.cz/$4fb760b770b2bd ... Detail-115

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Hi,
write down your email and I will send you some realy interesting reading about czech pavisas with sign of Prague (one of them was found in France!). Unfortunately its in Czech, but I hope, you cand handle it.

About reenacting groups doing early XV. century, there are some in Czech (its better to call them "fencing" groups). I know about projects trying to make goup of crossbowmen, but they are not so serious...
I have only one link, that should be interesting for you: http://houfy.webzdarma.cz/ . Its website of reenacting group doing especialy "lancknechts" but they are also doing "husites" and I hope it can help you :wink:

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Hi,
few pictures of the hussite pavises can be found here...:
http://kazi.webz.cz/wagner/stity.html

...and here are my photos of some other czech pavise, but this one is a bit younger, I guess it's from the second half of the 15th century.

http://sweb.cz/altquartier/paveza1.jpg
http://sweb.cz/altquartier/paveza2.jpg

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Owen, Wagners drawing are from XX century and there are reproduced from paintings from XIV. and XV. century. However, your looking at them with causions is apposite... We are used to say: "Wagner is not Bible" :wink:

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I absolutely agree with you... There are no writen sources from which author was drawing (both in Wager and Ospreys publications), but lately you can recognize their reproductions on originals...
BTW: In the book I have promised you are some sources on which was Wagner drawing upon. I will send it as soon as possible (I hope on begining of next week)...

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Post by Václav »

Hi Owen,
I have to disappoint you, but I really don't know what's written on this pavise. All I know it's form Prague from second half of 15th century. I took this picture in National museum in Prague. It was a part of a temporary display.

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Post by Václav »

Owen, here's a dicussion about 15th century pavises with few pictures of bohemian ones, but I don't know whether it's any help. :wink:

http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic ... highlight=

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Czolem Owen, ta wasza paveza, to jest bardzo piekne dzielo. :shock: V glove ale mam, czy tak piekne kolorovane pavezy nemiali zwyczajni piechurzy. Jest mozliwe, aby tak piekne kolorovane pavezy mial odzial k ochrone wodza, ktury zaplacil zrobiene takich pieknych pavez dla swojego prestyzu?
p.s. czytales artykul od Martina o wojennej taktice poznego srednoviecza v Czechach. Jest na na glownej strone v 2.serii artykuluv.
Cholera, ale jest ten polski jazyk czenszki :mrgreen:

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Czolem Owen :) ,
Mysle, ze u bozich wojovnikuv nebardzo bedo malovane pavezy. Chyba v zbrojovniach miast, kture pochodzou przed husickymi vojnami.

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Husitská pavéza z muzea v Táboře.
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Post by Václav »

Tato pavéza z roku 1480 je sice rakouská, ale jsou zde zajímavé detailní fotky. :wink:

http://www.peterfiner.com/Search/ItemDe ... ItemID=14#

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Ta vypadá moc pěkně... A erb, přestože nesporně autentický, vypadá jak z Pána Prstenů :) Nevím ovšem proč ji zařazují jako Bohemian pavise, když se jedná o německé město. Že by mezi české pavézy spadala typově?

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Tak to mi je také záhadou. Bývá to ale poměrně časté, že je označena jako z jiné země, než jsou třeba erby na pavéze. :shock:

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