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Are you sure with the lamellar armour? I know, that it is an analogy to eastern types, but we have a lot of frankish illuminations and nothing seems to be lamellar armour, IMHO :(

Svatopluk vyslal tajně početné vojsko a přepadl Bavory, kteří byli zanecháni na břehu řeky Dunaje ke střežení lodí. Jedny pobil, druhé dal utopit v řece, jiné pak odvedl jako zajatce.

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what i'm sure is that in France the lamellar was not used
The lamellar was use by the byzantine empire since the beginning , and re used by Norman/french (from normandy) in Sicily after mercenary employement within the Byzantine empire
In the eastern part of europe this Lamellar was also used (Rus , influence of Byzantine ).
Your area is a border area between the Frank / slavic country / potential mercenary employement by Byzantine empire.
In France some illustration showed , scale type armor : pure scale ? lamellar ? chain mail also? broigne with metal ''lamell''.
It is the period were the steel is not produced in massive quantity , and chain mail even in France for that period is not common : only with important lord...(same for Norman period with William that invaded england)

It is why i would like ti share with you which information you have on armor equipment in your area between 850-950
For your information where was used the lamellar armor in east of Europe (period 850-950)

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I din not replied your mail, becouse the answer can be done even here (and was partially done). Yes, we know, that lamellar armour is an eastern pattern, usually. But Great Moravia was in contact, we have found one fragment, that can be part of lamellar armour, but it is not sure. Look to this discussion, this discussion, there is a lot of pictures here.
So we only suppose use of lamellar armor as an import to great moravia, so if, then seldom. What was found are chain mails, in Mikulčice and Staré Město, for example, or St. Wenceslass chain mail. Then fragments of iron, supposed to be scales, but not sure again. It can be an iport from Franks or gained during wars...

Svatopluk vyslal tajně početné vojsko a přepadl Bavory, kteří byli zanecháni na břehu řeky Dunaje ke střežení lodí. Jedny pobil, druhé dal utopit v řece, jiné pak odvedl jako zajatce.

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