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[hawkwind]

Neměl rukojet´ . Nemá u luku téhle konstrukce význam. Je to longbow. Ty rukojeti nemají. Pokud má tenhle kus 86 cm, tak už bys tam kus rukojeti měl...

[hawkwind]

Uvědomte si,že je to jeden kus dřeva, ne tři kusy spojený.

[Rab]

Hawkwind: Ta silná špička je fakt divná, pro navlíkání tětivy dost nepraktická... Jinak zavolat tam můžu, ale protože je luk v expozici v uzavřený vitrině, asi ji kvůli mně rozebírat nebudou, tak rádi mě zas nemaj Když se to změří podle měřítka na obrázku, vychází hloubka před zlomem na 2 cm a šířka 3,2 cm.

Wothan: Jo, je to docela sranda fotku jsem pořídil na výstavě o mečích v archeologickém muzeu v Bratislavě.

[hawkwind]

Ta silná špička je aby se neulomila. Mě jde o to jak byl ten luk silnej

[Iwaz]

Jen malá poznámka, ten luk není podobný Ashcott Heath bow, ale luku Meare Heath a to dost.

[hawkwind]

Meare heath je 6-7 cm širokej, placatej, má extrémě vydefinovanou rukojet´ubranou dovnitř jako "swan neck".

http://www.sptradarch.org/for primitive page/Meare bothsides.gif

Zde polovina, která byla nalezena.Rukojet´jasně vidět. Je to "chieftans bow", jako koruna, nebo žezlo, kopie střílej hodně špatně.

Mikulčický luk je longbow, nikoli flatbow.


Takže kde přesně je pane chytráku podobnost s tím artefaktem z Mikulčic?

[hawkwind]

Pokud by měl mikulčický luk náznak rukojeti, což nevypadá, tak bude ve stejném stylu jako tenhle neolitický luk z itálie, který je ovšem z dřínu.

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/archeries/articles/talons2.jpg

[hawkwind]

Popis obou luků od mého kamaráda Marka Hila,který měl možnost prozkoumat oba artefakty se kterým jsem se viděl před 14 dny v anglii a který dělal i repliky.

Hello everybody,
Just had to share this with you. Today I visited Cambridge University Museum
University Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology having made an appointment
with the curator. I actually got to handle the Meare Heath and Ashcott bows!
Each of these has been carbon dated to over 4000 years old, around 2600 and
2900 BC!!!!!! These bows were made about the same time as the Egyptian
pyramids! Awesome (to quote an American saying!). They were preserved in peat
bogs.
Each is only half or a part of a bow.
Both bows have a write up in TBB 2 & 3, the best being 2.
The Ashcott is basically an ELB from what I could see, but the bow is less
than half of a limb, or half of a short bow. It has an interesting form of pin
nock. The yew wood is fairly flawed, and from what I could see the back of
the bow was a split edge going from the outside of the tree to the centre.
Surely this is the only way a knot can go across the face of the back?
The Meare Heath bow is what I really went to see. Only half the bow has
survived, having snapped across the handle and a lump having popped off at the
fades. The bow was made of yew and must have been about 74" long, with a narrow

handle of less than an inch and a wide paddle or leaf shaped limb max width
of 2.7".
The belly was quite flat, only slightly curved and was the inside of the
log. the back was fairly crowned but does not follow a growth ring. The wood
and
finish itself is flawless, you'd do well to achieve it now with good rasps,
scrapers and 300 grit paper. One weird feature is that the handle is backset,
not by heat bending but by cutting down through 28 or so growth rings! The
handle width is slightly less than 20mm and must have been quite deep to work
as a handle on what must have been a fairly powerful bow. I could only guess
at how long the handle section might have been or how deep though. The fairly
flat belly side had quite a pronounced keel to it for about 8 inches.
The nocks are a form of pin nock, with a very slight indication that the
nock pin might have been thickened slightly on the belly side. There is a
definite string mark on the crowned side. This, along with a slight bend that
might
be string follow suggests that the crowned side was the back and the flat
side the belly. Having said that the bow would probably work OK either way
round. I have nearly finished making an Ash "Meare Heathe" type bow as practice

and experimented at tillering it back the wrong way, it is doing just fine! The
string mark seen on the nock was identical to those you might expect to see
on a good thin dacron string so the string used on what looks to be a
powerful bow must have been of very good quality even by today's standard.
The bow shows signs of binding, both periodically around the bow and as a
criss cross pattern. Only two transverse wraps survive. The lower transverse
binding looks to be a simple wrap with a glues skive joint, though there may be

other bindings underneath. There appears to be some sign or shadow of other
bindings or covering either side of the parts that have survived, the one
above it is a binding of thin (1/16th") hide strips. Only one small section of
the criss cross binding has survived, and is thin and about 1/8th wide. This
appears to rule out sinew and might suggest rawhide? Oddly (considering the
very good finish to the wood) the bow shows quite deep cut marks where this
criss cross binding has been trimmed but also shows that this criss cross
binding
was thicker at more like 1/4 to 5/16ths.
I would love to post some pictures but I had to sign a form promising not
to. I am making a couple of replicas so will post pics of these as and when.
Respect to the bowyers who made these bows so long ago with stone tools.
Fascinating the be able to see and touch and hold their work.
Mark in England

[hawkwind]

Ještě kopie co dělal Pierre Lansac, jinej chlapík se kterým si píšu.

Meare Heath

http://www.archerie-primitive.com/images/galerie photo/meare_heath/fini.JPG

http://www.archerie-primitive.com/images/galerie photo/meare_heath/arme30.jpg

[Iwaz]

No to sem si dal. Já jsem si myslel, že luk který má být jako longbow bude mít spíše déčkový profil, tenhle mi přijde spíš jeko plochý,nenapsal jsem že je stejný, jen že je podobný.Pokud uveřejníš i Ashcot, je tu ten rozdíl právě v profilu. I zakončení luku je trochu jiné.