Zbraně - od křesadla po opakovačku

[R.S.Black]

Nevím jaký to bude mít úspěch,ale hodil jsem toto téma (o mušketách pro RR)na Am.forum.Jsem zvědav co vypotí.

[peggy]

řešili to třeba už v roce 2004 na foru:

http://www.historicaltrekking.com/mb/re ... t=8607&v=f

a zaujalo mě toto:

Date: 12-29-04 14:15

Well, at least it is not as bad as Ted Spring illustrating a 1781 rifleman in Rogers' Rangers in his Scratchbook '56..

The "jaeger" connection comes from Lord George Augustus Howe's 55th Regiment of Foot which was being "Rogers' Rangersized" at the time. And some lads like to "extend" that to put "jaegers" into the hands of Rogers' men althought there is no documentation for it.

A similar thing takes place with the remembrances of Anne MacVickers, who wrote about Lord Howe:

"...he ordered the muskets to be shortened...the barrels of their guns were all blackened."

Rogers' Rangers main sutler, John McComb wrote on the 55th on April 22, 1758 for the Carillon campaign:

"10 Rifled Barrelled Guns were delivered out to each regiment to be put into the hands of their best Marksmen."

"Each regiment" is assumed by some historians to be the 55th and Gage's 80th Light-Armed- while others argue the best marksmen in all of the regiments.
Although Rogers' Rangers was an 8 company (and 2 Indian companies) or "battalion" (often parcelled out) and not a "regiment," some assume Rogers' best shots got them as well.

However, I discount that as the nature of "bush rangering" in brush, bush, and tree, in the rapid "give and take" of scouting, skirmishing, and running Indian and partisan fighting- gives the LLP loaded with "buck and ball" (using a later term) or better yet a buck or swan shot load, a superior weapon over the harder to load and single ball of a "jaeger."

In any event, much of what is attributed to Rogers' Rangers is borrowed from other accounts...
Michael Archer

[R.S.Black]

Já to hodil na Muzzleloadinf forum do témat FIW.Třeba se to ujme.

[peggy]

Já už to radši nechám odborníkům na RR

[R.S.Black]

Tak to je zcela určitě to nej co můžeme udělat,ale těch pár slov v cizim jazyce mě snad nepoloží a TŘEBA se něco dozvíme.

[peggy]

Jo, nic proti

Zrovna si čtu ten thread co jsem sem pstnul, a místy je to nářez:

.68ish musket balls, British and French spall gunflints (114 British, 115 French), buckshot, swanshot, sprues, and slag are a common feature to the excavations on Roger's Island. (Sprues, slag, and lead found not only in structures' fireplaces, but outside in the sand.)

Interesting, the largest concentration of musket balls were found in a latrine.
And, groupings or clusters of 6 or 10 musket balls and flints were found- likely carried on a "bullet bag" or "bullet bottle" that has decayed away leaving the balls and flints in situ.

22 chewed musket balls were found at the hospital- which annoys those who maintain it was not done (sticks or leather), or that the "chewed balls" were chewed by foraging pigs. (often a Civil War discussion)
In addition, some musket balls were cut likely to promote mushrooming.
And a number of balls were flattened from firing.

[R.S.Black]

Ještě mě napadlo,očekávám nejdelší verzi první BB 1728.To bych jí měl zkrátit???

[R.S.Black]

Jo, nic proti

Zrovna si čtu ten thread co jsem sem pstnul, a místy je to nářez:

.68ish musket balls, British and French spall gunflints (114 British, 115 French), buckshot, swanshot, sprues, and slag are a common feature to the excavations on Roger's Island. (Sprues, slag, and lead found not only in structures' fireplaces, but outside in the sand.)

Interesting, the largest concentration of musket balls were found in a latrine.
And, groupings or clusters of 6 or 10 musket balls and flints were found- likely carried on a "bullet bag" or "bullet bottle" that has decayed away leaving the balls and flints in situ.

22 chewed musket balls were found at the hospital- which annoys those who maintain it was not done (sticks or leather), or that the "chewed balls" were chewed by foraging pigs. (often a Civil War discussion)
In addition, some musket balls were cut likely to promote mushrooming.
And a number of balls were flattened from firing.

co všechno do toho hajzlu nespadne

[R.S.Black]

Dle členů MLF,Muškety pro RR,záleží na kumpačce.Hobbsova a Speakmanova kumpačka obdržela 50ks kompletní výzbroje a výstroje
včetně 1st model BB z Královských skladů.Taktéž byly ve výzbroji Holandské a Německé muškety!!Používali francouzké Fusily protože byly lehčí,kratší a měli menší kalibr,tím pádem bylo i střelivo lehčí.Členové těchto sborů často používali své vlastní zbraně.V podstatě jakýkoliv typ muškety ze začátku 18týho století je OK.
Zmínka o výzbroji je v knize "THE DEATH OF WOLFE"

Toto je překlad a nikoliv můj názor i když můj názor je skoro stejný.
Na Rifle nebyl dotaz směřován.

[nataniel]

Toto je článok z múzea kožušinového obchodu:

The natives of North America were sophisticated, intelligent customers. They immediately saw the advantages of firearms over spears and bows and arrows. (It requires much less practice to use a firearm, and a gun has superior range.) By 1620 firearms were flowing to the Indians despite strong governmental efforts to prevent such trade. Guns were a universal part of the trader’s outfit by the late 17 th century. Influenced by Dutch designs brought to Britain during the reign of William III, English gunmakers in the early 18 th century began placing a fancy brass plate shaped like a sea serpent opposite the lock on shotguns, muskets, and the guns intended for the Indian trade. By 1750 a standard pattern of Indian trading gun had emerged. A light and dependable weapon for hunting and war, it featured a large iron guard, a brass serpent-shaped sideplate, and a thin, smooth-bored barrel that could be loaded with either shot or round ball. Fur traders called them Northwest guns because large numbers were then being shipped to the Great Lakes, the “Northwest” of that time. The same pattern with minor variations was manufactured for the fur trade until 1900.

A toto môj skromný preklad :

Domorodci boli premyslený a inteligentný zákazníci. Rýchlo pochopili výhody strelných zbraní nad kopijou, lukom a šípmi. Vyžaduje menej praxe a má dlhší dostrel. Od roku 1620 sa dostávali strelné zbrane k indiánom napriek snahám vlády takýmto obchodom zabrániť. Na konci17. stor. bola strelná zbraň základnou výstrojov obchodníka. Počas vlády Wiliama II. v ranom 18. stor. boli anglický puškári ovplyvnený holandskými návrhmi a začali montovať protidosku v tvare morského hada na zbrane určené na obchod s indiánmi. V roku 1750 sa objavil štandardný vzor indian trade gun. Bola to spoľahlivá zbraň pre lov a vojnu, železný nabiják / neviem či je to správny preklad / mosadzná protidoska v tvare hada a mohla byť použitá zagulateľná gulička. Kožušinový obchodníci ich volali NW trade guns, pretože veľké počty boli dopravené na lodi k Veľkým jazerám od vtedy sa tak začali volať NW trade guns. / toto neviem asi správne preložiť /. Tento istý vzor s malými obmenami bol vyrábaný až do roku 1900.